Discussione:
Straordinario
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Franco Lombardo
2009-04-05 19:18:02 UTC
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Qualcuno potrebbe darmi delle spiegazioni sul campo "Straordinario" in
Project? Mi spiego meglio. Ho un progetto per cui pianifico tutte le
attività a "lavoro" e non a "durata". Quando su un assegnamento compilo il
campo "Straordinario" per una quantità di tempo pari alla quantità di
lavoro, la durata viene azzerata. Cosa significa? Come faccio a dire a
Project che una risorsa non deve essere livellata in un determinato giorno
perché effettuerà dello straordinario?

Grazie mille

Ciao

Franco
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Pat
2009-04-09 21:01:18 UTC
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Ciao Franco,
è buona norma aprire un nuovo thread per ogni nuova domanda.
Post by Franco Lombardo
Qualcuno potrebbe darmi delle spiegazioni sul campo "Straordinario" in
Project? Mi spiego meglio. Ho un progetto per cui pianifico tutte le
attività a "lavoro" e non a "durata". Quando su un assegnamento compilo il
campo "Straordinario" per una quantità di tempo pari alla quantità di
lavoro, la durata viene azzerata. Cosa significa?
quale versione hai di project? cosa fai esattamente?
Post by Franco Lombardo
Come faccio a dire a Project che una risorsa non deve essere livellata in
un determinato giorno perché effettuerà dello straordinario?
metti la priorità all'attività? metti un vincolo forte?

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Franco Lombardo
2009-04-10 07:04:14 UTC
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Post by Pat
Ciao Franco,
è buona norma aprire un nuovo thread per ogni nuova domanda.
Hai perfettamente ragione, scusate. Avevo intenzione di fare così, ma ci
devono essere state delle incomprensioni con il mio news-reader :-(
Post by Pat
Ho un progetto per cui pianifico tutte le attività a "lavoro" e non a
"durata". Quando su un assegnamento compilo il campo "Straordinario" per
una quantità di tempo pari alla quantità di lavoro, la durata viene
azzerata. Cosa significa?
quale versione hai di project? cosa fai esattamente?
Ho Project professional 2007 SP1.
Nel progetto che allego in formato xml, vado in visualizzazione "Uso
risorse", aggiungo la colonna "Straordinario", vado sulla riga "Tornitura
distanziale", immetto 4 ore di straordinario (cioè una quantità uguale al
lavoro previsto) e di colpo il campo "Lavoro" viene impostato a 0. Cosa
succede?

Grazie

Ciao

Franco

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<RemainingOvertimeWork>PT0H0M0S</RemainingOvertimeWork>
<RemainingWork>PT4H0M0S</RemainingWork>
<ResponsePending>0</ResponsePending>
<Start>2009-04-10T09:00:00</Start>
<Stop>2009-04-10T09:00:00</Stop>
<Resume>2009-04-10T09:00:00</Resume>
<StartVariance>0</StartVariance>
<Units>1</Units>
<UpdateNeeded>0</UpdateNeeded>
<VAC>0</VAC>
<Work>PT4H0M0S</Work>
<WorkContour>0</WorkContour>
<BCWS>0</BCWS>
<BCWP>0</BCWP>
<BookingType>0</BookingType>
<CreationDate>2009-04-10T08:53:00</CreationDate>
<TimephasedData>
<Type>1</Type>
<UID>2</UID>
<Start>2009-04-10T09:00:00</Start>
<Finish>2009-04-10T13:00:00</Finish>
<Unit>2</Unit>
<Value>PT4H0M0S</Value>
</TimephasedData>
</Assignment>
</Assignments>
</Project>
Pat
2009-04-10 22:22:43 UTC
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Post by Pat
Ho un progetto per cui pianifico tutte le attività a "lavoro" e non a
"durata". Quando su un assegnamento compilo il campo "Straordinario" per
una quantità di tempo pari alla quantità di lavoro, la durata viene
azzerata. Cosa significa?
quale versione hai di project? cosa fai esattamente?
Ho Project professional 2007 SP1.
Nel progetto che allego in formato xml, vado in visualizzazione "Uso
risorse", aggiungo la colonna "Straordinario", vado sulla riga "Tornitura
distanziale", immetto 4 ore di straordinario (cioè una quantità uguale al
lavoro previsto) e di colpo il campo "Lavoro" viene impostato a 0. Cosa
succede?
Ciao Franco Lombardo,
non succede nulla di strano: il lavoro straordinario è un "di cui" del
lavoro e non un'aggiunta, per cui quando si immette una pianificazione di
lavoro straordinario viene modificata la durata dell'attività (in base alla
formula di programmazione); se tu metti lo straordinario pari al lavoro
project ricalcola la durata = zero e di conseguenza il lavoro diventa zero.
Immagino che nel tuo esempio tu volessi pianificare 4 ore di lavoro
ordinario + 4 di straordinario e, se è così, devi mettere 8 ore di ordinario
e 4 di straordinario.

Dalla guida:
" Nota La quantità di lavoro straordinario specificata non viene aggiunta
alla quantità di lavoro prevista per l'attività perché il lavoro rappresenta
sempre la quantità di lavoro totale. In Lavoro straordinario viene indicata
solo la parte della quantità di lavoro totale che deve essere considerata e
conteggiata come straordinario. Quando si immette un valore per Lavoro
straordinario, è possibile che la durata dell'attività venga ridotta, a meno
che non si tratti di un tipo di attività (tipo di attività:
Caratterizzazione di un'attività in base ai relativi elementi fissi e
variabili. Esistono tre tipi di attività: A unità fisse, A lavoro fisso e A
durata fissa. Per impostazione predefinita, viene utilizzato il tipo A unità
fisse.) a durata fissa."

Ciao
--
Pat (Microsoft Office Project MVP)
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Franco Lombardo
2009-04-13 10:08:37 UTC
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???
il lavoro straordinario è un "di cui" del lavoro e non un'aggiunta,
Quindi il programma non avrebbe dovuto "pensare" così: "4 ore di lavoro, di
cui 4 di straordinario, quindi la durata non cambia"?
per cui quando si immette una pianificazione di lavoro straordinario viene
modificata la durata dell'attività (in base alla formula di
programmazione); se tu metti lo straordinario pari al lavoro project
ricalcola la durata = zero e di conseguenza il lavoro diventa zero.
Scusa, ma non capisco, sono de' coccio :-)
Immagino che nel tuo esempio tu volessi pianificare 4 ore di lavoro
ordinario + 4 di straordinario e, se è così, devi mettere 8 ore di
ordinario e 4 di straordinario.
In realtà desideravo dire a Project che la risorsa quel giorno avrebbe
lavorato 4 ore in più, quindi non sarebbe dovuta comparire tra quelle
"sovraallocate". Come potrei fare? Devo per forza cambiarne il calendario?

Grazie mille e ciao.

Franco

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